Moore or Tannehill? Your choice up till now?


With David Garrard temporarily out of the mix following knee surgery, it’s Matt Moore and Ryan Tannehill competing to take this team into the regular season. Both quarterbacks will split reps with the first team this week, with coach Joe Philbin saying he’ll “let things play out” before naming a starter for Friday’s preseason matchup against the Carolina Panthers.

I think both Moore and Tannehill looked pretty sharp in the first preseason game against the Bucs.   It will be interesting to see how this plays out.  To be honest I like both of them.  I think they both are gamers that will put it all on the line for their team.  But I must admit I was impressed with Tannehill’s presence in the pocket in his first NFL action in the game.  He did better than I thought he would in the fast paced real time NFL action he had never seen before.

What do you think of each of the QB’s performance in the the first pre-season game?

What will you be looking for in the 2nd game of the pre-season?  Do you like Moore or Tannehill better?

Honestly I liked how fast and proficient the offense looked throughout the game.  They need to perfect it, but it looked as if a transformed version of the phins offense of the past.

I like what I am seeing so far.

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200 Responses to “Moore or Tannehill? Your choice up till now?”

  1. Texas_Dolfan Says:

    If you buy enough JD you will get the paper bags free. 🙂

  2. B33RCA53 Says:

    Yea I’m confused as to how Jeff Demps wasn’t atleast looked at by Philbin. This team needs a playmaker at KR and Thigpen or Miller are both as unproven as Demps. Why not try him out?
    Demps is crazy fast. Quickness and top end speed.

  3. thavafin Says:

    CA53
    I would think the main reason he didn’t get looked at is the log jam we already have at RB.

  4. odinseye Says:

    B33RCA53 Says:
    August 17, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    Also letting Gates go without really seeing him in action would be a mistake IMO

    Totally agree. B33 has some smarts!

    Ireland knew when he used a 4th rounder on Gates that he was an extremely raw-PROJECT type. He knew that this speed demon kid would need time to develop.

    He was targeted 24 times his ROOKIE SEASON! I don’t believe that constitutes time to develop.

    Philbin’s Crew is new here, so it’s hard to try and guess what they might do. But if it was up to me, I would keep Gates at least one more year. I would simplify his role/playbook this year amd get him some playing time. Use him in obvious passing situations and let him try to blow the top off. Exploit his strengths and slowly try and bring him up to speed.

    I mean, why even draft him if you’re only going to give him 24 throws? Philbin himself constantly talks of teaching and developing HIS OWN young players. Well……….Gates is a perfect subject to prove your point.

    I wouldn’t pull the plug on him just yet.

  5. odinseye Says:

    Kris Says:
    August 17, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    THE CHOICE FOR TONIGHT….Tannehill…..

    Tannehill gets the start….
    ———————————————————–

    -Kris, can you spell “Scooped”?

    odinseye Says:
    August 17, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    BY ADAM H. BEASLEY
    abeasley@miamiherald.com

    Ryan Tannehill will start Friday night’s preseason game against the Carolina Panthers, broadcaster Dick Stockton has told 790 The Ticket.
    Stockton is calling Friday night’s game for CBS4 and was told of the decision by Dolphins coaches.
    —————————————————-

    OK, just kidding, but Damn! I couldn’t believe more people weren’t talking about it.

    I posted it at the “Other Place” and people were like: Ho Hum, lets talk about the psychology involved with “Home” posting under multiple Aliases!

    What?

    Tannehill is SERIOUSLY trying to time travel tonight. He’s trying to make the Future……….NOW!

  6. Jeff Schanz (@JS_in_LA) Says:

    The media are going a little ape-sh!t about this start.
    It makes the most amount of sense to start the rook regardless of his actually position on the depth chart. Heck, they do this in practice – one day one QB goes with the 1’s, the next day, another does. So same thing with pre-season makes sense.

    But everyone thinks that this means Tannehill is the #1 guy now.
    Maybe AFTER the game he might be, if he plays well, but going in, this seems just like another calculated exercise from Philbin.
    I’ll be willing to bet my paycheck that Philbin says as much on Hard Knocks.
    “Matt, this doesn’t mean our depth chart has changed, It’s just time to give Ryan a shot with the 1’s this game. Next game, whoever practices best, we’ll see ….blah, blah”

    I do think that RT can take the ring here though. Should he play well (doesn’t need to kick butt, just solid) then he probably gets the season nod. Should he stumble, then I’d say competition is still open.

  7. B33RCA53 Says:

    Question would you rather have Steve Slaton or Jeff Demps?

  8. B33RCA53 Says:

    Bellicheck= evil genius

  9. Jeff Schanz (@JS_in_LA) Says:

    Demps.
    I know what he can do.
    But he’s not a pure tailback, he’s more of a 3rd down, flat option, or drag guy, or screen.

    But we have enough of that kind of player. I’d trade Slayton for a receiver.

  10. thavafin Says:

    Hypothetical but wutevs I pose this scenario anyway. I agree with JS’ QB starting logic. But let’s say Garrard doesn’t get hurt and starts game 1. Who starts this game? MM? If MM starts this game when does RT get the preseason game reps with the 1’s like JS was stating? Not game 3 right, that’s a week 1 sim. So game 4? Wouldn’t we have named a starter by then? Isn’t game 4 the uber who gives a crap game where most starters sit and actually start prepping week 1? With DG out the mix it seems clear, with him in it it gets foggy for me. Seems RT would be the odd man out. ?

  11. Texas_Dolfan Says:

    Maybe the plan is to wear out the opposition offense by letting them march up and down the field.

  12. Texas_Dolfan Says:

    Looks like the “ankle weights” Miami Dolphins. I hope this isn’t an indication of how our season is going to go. I am not giving up hope just yet but it looks pretty bad right now.

  13. Jeff Schanz (@JS_in_LA) Says:

    RT definitely had more jitters first quarter than last game. Way more pressure. But he’s settling down a bit 2nd quarter.
    Still looks like a rookie, but he also seems like he’s in charge. Nothing I’ve seen isn’t fixable so far.
    They need to have him run one of those roll-outs to take the pressure off. He’s not thinking run at all. Once the defense isn’t sure… things open up.

    One mistake that needs to get fixed sooner than later… locking into receivers. DBs have him guessed right now.

  14. Jeff Schanz (@JS_in_LA) Says:

    Our D looks like they forgot how to play. Really bad right now. No one specific position. All of them.

  15. Jeff Schanz (@JS_in_LA) Says:

    Correction, I like Solai and Starks.
    The rest … ugh.

    Sean Smith got robbed. His arm was in “feel position” mode, not “grab”. All CBs put their hands on receivers to feel their positions. Grabbing is different.
    Rookie ref error, IMHO.

    Smith doing OK, but, playing a little tentative on chase and tackle.

  16. Jeff Schanz (@JS_in_LA) Says:

    Louis Murphey looks good. He was available earlier and we didn’t chase. Solid WR. #2.

  17. Jeff Schanz (@JS_in_LA) Says:

    Tannehill is getting crap blocking, but he is holding it a half second too long. Not sure if receivers aren’t getting open, or he’s just not trusting that they are.

    Maybe both.
    I’m a bit short of positives atm. Carolina had a horrible D last year.
    What be up?

  18. Jeff Schanz (@JS_in_LA) Says:

    Can’t hold out at work any longer. Must go home. Will miss second half, or at least Moore.

    Somebody fill me in later.

  19. Jon Says:

    Should I even watch the game? Doesn’t look great on paper.

  20. Jeff Schanz (@JS_in_LA) Says:

    Of course watch the game!
    If you’re only watching when we look awesome, you may have a sad year.
    This will be a learning year for the whole team. Find your interest points and enjoy them.
    None of the teams that start a rookie QB are going to the superbowl, and probably not the playoffs.
    SO find your enjoyment anyway.

    There will be some shake ups at practice I’d wager.

    As for me, I at least have some new names for my receiver list.

  21. Jon Says:

    Thanks JS I needed that

  22. Jeff Schanz (@JS_in_LA) Says:

    There may be a few folks that need talking down off the ledge.

    Relax folks. It’s preseason.

    Our Defense has better personnel than we saw last night. They’re just not together yet. I’m concerned too, but not burying them yet.
    Honestly, the DEs were my point of frustration. Virtually no pass rush on 5 step drops, and absent on off-tackle runs.
    And I couldn’t find the LBs on pass coverage. My watching experience was distracted though ( I was working).

    We’re thin at most areas except RB.

    O-line still hasn’t gelled. No way they’re that bad at season beginning.

    Tannehill has our best chance to win right now. Yes, it’s true. Anyone can handle running the team if we’re playing well, but who has the tools to inject amazing plays when we’re desperate? Tanny can run (if they let him), throw lasers deep downfield and create something from nothing on occasion. Moore can’t. *(I know I’ll get friction on that one).

    Receivers aren’t separating. Few are feeling the coverage. They’re running routes. Once we settle on QB and receiver corp, they’ll gel and get on the same page on what happens when defense does whatever it does.

  23. Craig M Says:

    JS,

    SLaton for a WR? Sorry bud, I would think Slaton has zero value on the trade market. Who would you think we could possibly get who would be any better than the guys we have. Slaton is a waiver wire pick up guy for most teams. He’s our 3rd or 4th back on this team. He isn’t worth any thing.

  24. Jeff Schanz (@JS_in_LA) Says:

    Craig,
    Just an answer to someone’s question if I’d rather have Slayton or Demps. Basically I was saying I’d rather have a receiver.
    I doubt Slayton has any value. Hasn’t he been injured? Or am I thinking of someone else?

  25. thavafin Says:

    That’s why we need to name the starter NOW. RT or MM, pick and go. I am in RTs camp for starting but it needs to happen either way. So the jello can start to solidify! I didn’t personally see the presser, but from what I read Philbin bothered me a little with how he handled it. Sounded unsure about the action to take. And I understand being unsure about the action to take at this point but don’t portray it. Keep that $#i*! buried. Because it seems to me for the most part that’s how this team is playing at the moment…unsure.

  26. thavafin Says:

    Ouch.

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp12/story/_/id/8280090/oakland-raiders-tommy-kelly-says-arizona-cardinals-kevin-kolb-looks-scared

  27. odinseye Says:

    I have put together some strong opinions based on these reports, OTA’s, Training Camp-Practices and the first two games. I’m sure some will disagree and I hope those that do offer some good counter-points.

    1. First and foremost. Right now, today, Tannehill gives us the best chance of winning.

    I have always been in Moores camp and hoped for the best. With that being said, he hasn’t put any distance between him and Tannehill. On the contrary, judging from their playing time, Tannehill seems to be at least a “Notch” above Moore.

    Garrard throws a hitch in the gidget, but doesn’t even matter. He won’t be available. Up to this point, Tannehill looks like the best QB we can put on the field.

    2. Derrick Shelby should be given every possible opportunity they can find. Granted he’s played against lesser competition-Fine. The fact is, the first teamers haven’t shown anything at all yet in the way of pressure.

    Shelby has been playing strongside behind Odrick. We have high expectations for Odrick and we have a good idea of what he brings to the table. Thats great. Still, I think they should give Shelby some work with the starters to see if he can do as good. You never know until you give it a try. At least and especially during the pre season.

    Fact: So far, Shelby has outplayed EVERY DE on our Roster. He has EARNED the chance to show what he can do with the First Team D.

    3. For all the positive Sean Smith **Talk** we got from reports, I just haven’t seen it on the field. Sean should be the guy getting benched, not Davis. It’s obvious to me that our two best corners are Marshall and Davis.

    I know their trying to make a point with Vontae, but at what cost? Valuable snaps are being had. Sean has had enough……….enough to prove he’s a liability on the field. The double move kills him everytime, he pulls up(takes plays off)on run plays when they go to the other side of the field. And he looks like he would be an awesome **Flag Football Player** when it comes to Run Support.

    If there isn’t a major shake up involving Smith and the depth chart this week, MARK MY WORDS, Coyle(and us by extension)are in BIG TROUBLE!

    4. Chris Clemons should be CUT! Plain and simple. I’m not pulling any punches and I don’t care about how many tackles he was credited or the strip and recovery.

    In these two pre season games I’ve seen Clemons take more plays off than I’ve ever seen ANYONE take. If the play was going away from his side, you can see him ROUTINELY pull up and just “Go Through The Motions”. It’s completely disgusting.

    Not only that, think about it. Think about the past two seasons. Can you name any time EVER that Clemons made a big play? I mean other than chasing a guy down after a thirty yard gain.

    Fact: Clemons doesn’t make any plays and now I have two pre season games of him consistently “Taking Plays Off”. I would like to see Ronnie Lott kick his ass and then Philbin do his best Donald Trump with a, You’re Fired!”.

    Clemons should, at the very least be demoted, if not just cut outright! Give Tyrell Johnson(who showed signs of life friday)and Tyrone Culver a shot.

    5. Misi should be shopped if possible. If not, just cut the guy.

    The first pass play of the game? A 15 yard gain by the TE Misi was covering. It got worse as the game progressed. Everytime he’s on the field, Brady will get him isolated with one of his Tight Ends. REGARDLESS of down and distance.

    Misi sets the edge great. He’s very good against the run. But in coverage he’s a COMPLETE LIABILITY. Don’t think that every QB and Coach in the AFC East doesn’t know it either. This is after all a passing league.

    Misi just doesn’t fit well in Coyles system and should be let go SOONER rather than later. Even though we sorely need more, we have at least a couple of linebackers on the roster right now that can handle this system better.

    6. Get Hogan some quality reps this week and during the game. With the group of receivers we got, we can afford a quick little “experiment” for Hogan. Let’s find out right now if he can live up to Legend he has become. It isn’t going to hurt anything and who knows? This guy can be the next best thing since sliced bread! Get Hogan in the mix and lets see what he can do!

    Summation: Start Tannehill, Hogan, Shelby, Marshall and Davis. Cut Misi and Clemons.

    Lets get this Re-Build Going!!!!

  28. odinseye Says:

    Oh Damn!

    I forgot to address Jonathon Martin in the post above! Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!

    Ah, it’s just as well. I think I should go over both tapes again before I do.

    Long story short, he was terrible Friday night. And I don’t just mean “Rookie” terrible. He was so bad I was thinking about monitoring the waiver wire my Damn Self!

    (Seriously! I was thinking: Can we slide Hicks out and put Steinbach at Right Guard?)

  29. Kris Says:

    I know many of you are boy-cotting the Herald (and with good reason)…..but below is a good article by Lebatard….

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/19/2958054/miami-dolphins-sacrifice-privacy.html

  30. Kris Says:

    slow day in here…..

  31. Phins78 Says:

    So its only preseason. Normally I would be concerned with their play so far but I saw a good sign today. I noticed Omar Kelly has been really down on the team. Doesn’t seem to think they have a shot and the past three years he’s been talking them up in pre season. The last time he was down on the team was the last time they won the East.

  32. Kris Says:

    The last time we won the EAST we were a fraud….as evidenced by our 3 consecutive losing records following that Tom Brady-less fluke….

    Lets build something HIGHLY sustainable…

  33. odinseye Says:

    I’m RE-Posting an earlier post(updated-lol) in regards to Philbin mentioning Clemons specifically.
    ———————————-

    “……(Chris) Clemons didn’t make it. Trusnik really didn’t have a hat on him, but he got caught up in the trash a little bit. The game is still about tackling and pursuit and you have to get 11 guys around the ball. We have to do a better job of getting our color jerseys around the ball on defense……”

    -Joe Philbin-
    ———————————————–

    **Cut Chris Clemons**

    4. Chris Clemons should be CUT! Plain and simple. I’m not pulling any punches and I don’t care about how many tackles he was credited or the strip and recovery.

    In these two pre season games I’ve seen Clemons take more plays off than ANYONE I’ve ever seen. If the play was going away from his side, you can see him ROUTINELY pull up and just “Go Through The Motions”. It’s completely disgusting.

    How can you get more shirts around the ball and/or pursue when your guy is pulling up and just jogging towards the play from the far side of the field? When you watch the replay you can tell he’s just HOPING the runner doesn’t cut it back towards him and expose his half speed-Half attempt to fool the coaches(not just a on a play or two-it happens alot-just watch some tape).

    We’re re-building so we need to cut this cancer NOW. Going forward we don’t need “Half Effort Guys”, especially when they have limited talents to begin with.

    Not only that, think about it. Think about the past two seasons. Can you name any time EVER that Clemons made a big play? I mean other than chasing a guy down after a thirty yard gain?

    Fact: Clemons doesn’t make any plays/big plays and now I have two pre season games of him **Consistently** “Taking Plays Off”. I would like to see Ronnie Lott kick his ass and then Philbin do his best Donald Trump with a, You’re Fired!”.

    Clemons at the very least should be demoted, if not just cut outright! Give Tyrell Johnson(who showed signs of life Friday)and Tyrone Culver a shot.
    ————————————————-

    I never did any film study on Clemons in the past. But now that I have, it’s been a REAL eye opener!
    Clemons has to GO! We don’t have the time or the room for “His Kind”.

  34. Kris Says:

    Odin…

    On the forced fumble/fumble recovery…I saw the same thing….I even said to the wife….that Clemons was comming up to make a half-assed attempt @ a tackle….and then the back (surprisingly) cut back into him….

    Without the cut-back….clemons dives @ the backs feet….in a Awshucks type moment…and the back easily jukes him and scores….

    I don’t know about cutting him….but he needs to get better….

  35. Jeff Schanz (@JS_in_LA) Says:

    We got loads of crap to assess on D. Clemens is only one part. Safeties wouldn’t need to be our primary tacklers if the darned LBs could cover receivers. Our LBs looked like they all went to the sidelines for water-breaks on passes. Scary open field.

    So, in my mind I’m already building our first 3 draft picks next year. In no particular order:

    DE
    OLB
    WR

    I might just repeat those 3 for the rest of our draft picks, and maybe a few of them will pan out.

  36. Jeff Schanz (@JS_in_LA) Says:

    Oh, a small technicality I forgot to mention. A detail really.
    Ireland is demoted to UFA scout. He’s actually really good at that.
    But someone else needs to run the draft.

  37. Jon Says:

    What is Dansby’s biggest strength when he plays?

  38. Jeff Schanz (@JS_in_LA) Says:

    UH OH……
    Tannehill is officially the starter. No more QB battle predictions.
    No more Moore.

    Well, Jon. Time for your next article. Get crackin’. 🙂

  39. Jeff Schanz (@JS_in_LA) Says:

    After telling everyone how RT isn’t ready, and we’d all see it when he plays … Omar is taking the high road and telling everyone he could care less what QB starts. He’s not QB obsessed.

    Pffffft. What a douche. Regardless of your like/dislike in this QB battle, and regardless if Tannehill looks as rookie as rookies can be this year… this is a gigantic moment for the Fins.
    Historic
    Taking the big shot at this QB is huge news wherever on the fence you may be sitting.
    But OK brushes it off, like it ain’t no thang.
    Awritey, bra.
    _____________
    I expect nothing more from Ryan than his best effort, and keep his head that there is a long career to go, and simply improve as best he can to give us all reasonable hope that every next season will bring the big prize.

    This season is your absolute freebie. I look forward to every game, and have no pre-conceived notions of how many wins we should have, or how many TDs or INTs, or any QB rating.

    Just be interesting, and give us something to cheer for, and this fan is behind you.

  40. odinseye Says:

    Yeah, throw Tannehill out there and let the Kid gain some experience. I Thought that the right course of action BEFORE OTA’s, Camp and Pre-Season.

    The alternative is to let him sit, wait a year and THEN see what we have. In short, the alternative is to set the team back further. If he busts LATER, we’re that much further behind and STILL need to find a QB.

    Drafting a BUST QB can set you back for years. Worst case scenario – **I STRESS the PHRASE: “Worst Case Scenario” ** Philbin is minimizing the setback.

    Having said all that, I applaud Philbin and Sherman for the decision. But come on, let’s be honest, it’s not a difficult decision. Tannehill is obviously playing better than anyone else on the roster.
    I thought it a “No-Brainer” and stated as much back in April/May.

    Now that thats settled, lets put together a contingency plan for Jonathon Martin. Maybe work Hicks at RT some with Steinbach at RG. Scan the waiver wire maybe for another temporary stop-gap. We need to do something.

    I want Martin to cone through for us. But again, being honest, we can’t go into Houston with the RT play we’ve gotten so far.

  41. Phins78 Says:

    JS, Omar is as douchey as they get. That guy has the biggest ego I have ever encountered. He “hates” QBs. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaa? You hate a position on a football team? Yeah, I hate wedge busters, can’t stand em. NO! I hate nickle backs, what a bunch of a-holes. lol, I mean come on who hates a player position on a football team? What an idiot.

  42. Phins78 Says:

    Anyway, I’m glad Tannehill is starting but I’m worried. According to espn and the rest of the sporting world, (including many Dolphins fans) the Dolphins have NO talent.

    We apparently have zero play makers. And our WR corp is said to be among the worst in the league. Our run blocking is struggling and our TEs aren’t getting open. Armando wrote that Tannehill was getting no help in his last start.

    So we’re going to throw him out there with that mess? After all of that was said, we are going to put him in a situation where he is sure to fail and then have the moron Miami Dolphin fan base calling him a bust and wanting another first round pick next year?

    Someone help me out here. Please explain how this is going to be good for his development. I read articles and fan comments saying “this is great because now he will get a chance to learn this year instead of starting fresh next year”. What is he going to learn, that wr’s are never open, offensive lines don’t give you time to throw, the running game is so anemic that the other team doesn’t even bother trying to stop it instead concentrating all of their efforts on a passing game that boasts the worst wrs in the league?! And what else, hmmmmmmmm, his defense is so bad at getting off the field that he will be forced into constantly trying to play from behind.

    I don’t know, I’m lost on this one. I’m not seeing how we are helping the kid by putting him in charge of a pee wee team. Anyone have any time to talk me off the ledge? What am I missing here?

  43. Phins78 Says:

    Lastly Odinseye You have to give Martin some more time. He could still get it figured out in the next three weeks. Don’t throw the towel in on him yet.

    You guys all want to start Tannehill so he gets time to learn but we are going to move Artis Hicks in at RT and sit Martin on the bench? It doesn’t make much sense to me. Martin needs time on the field.

    He was one of the best LTs in college last year according to reports. He has now moved to Right Tackle and that is a huge move. All of his techniques have changed, EVERYTHING is different. He needs time to adjust to the changes and getting second team reps isn’t going to help him do that here in the next three weeks. He needs all of the playing time he can get, lots of reps, so his muscle memory starts kicking in and he does things without thinking. Right now he’s still thinking too much, needs those reps.

  44. Jeff Schanz (@JS_in_LA) Says:

    I’m not sure I’m talking you off the ledge, but that was one heckuva’n admission.
    And all true. We have no playmakers of significant caliber.
    Neither did Peyton Manning his first year. And apparently last 2 years either .
    Luck still has none.
    Nor does Weeden.

    Shall will shelf our star in waiting until we get some? Trust Ireland to draft top guys next year?

    Now do you see why I b!tch and moan so much?

    Well, we have linemen to protect him. Great! So he’ll stand there LONGER and see no one open before he gets sacked, or runs for his life.
    ______________
    Anyhoo… old news. Good QBs make WRs and RBs look better. It’s the one area of the team that can make more than one position better.
    We have some guys who will get open and catch balls. Just don’t count on YAC.
    We have good RBs.
    We can run on the left side (That’s all they did in Marino’s time)
    Our offense won’t be amazing, but it will move the chains around, and score some points to keep things hopeful.
    Our defense is thin, but is actually better personnel-wise than last year. Last year’s team was average. They will be again.

    Tannehill is a tough kid, can take a hit, doesn’t seem to get rattled by failure, and can run and frustrate D’s to boot. He’ll be running a lot more after pre-season. No one wanted to get him smacked around this early. But his running/scrambling will open the field a lot. Just watch.

    Hicks can start at RT. Or Steinbach. Martin will eventually be better, but he’s got a bigger curve than I thought. He’ll come around.
    Moore lasted the year with worse protection. Ryan will survive.

    ***
    There is one more thing to consider. Coaching and QBing does have an impact on how well talent does. Especially lesser talent. Have a look at NE’s roster. See stars? No one that wasn’t made to look a whole look better than they are by Mr. Brady, and Mr. Belichik.

  45. Jeff Schanz (@JS_in_LA) Says:

    Btw, I am expecting Tannehill to have a rough year. Most rookie Qbs do. A few get lucky.
    Only the ignorant idiot fans will bury him. Those same fans are also ignored by anyone with sense in the front office.

    I may or may not claim he’s a bust, but that will not be from wins/losses. I’ll be because of the details I’m looking for.
    Right now, he’s answered some tough questions. There are still more questions to go. And they don’t have anything to do with losing games.

    I can’t answer for all fans, but I’ll do my part to set folks straight.

    I always have.

  46. Phins78 Says:

    Thanks JS that actually gave me some hope that this move won’t totally ruin RT. If he is a good QB he can make others around him better. Good comparison with Manning. I don’t think Montana had much to work with either so we have that. If the kid is as strong and confident as he seems I don’t need to worry about those things.

  47. Jeff Schanz (@JS_in_LA) Says:

    More Omar tweeking.
    He listed his top ranked Ireland accomplishments of his Dolphin career.
    Omars words , then >>{mine}

    1. Outbidding four team for Cameron Wake, then locking him up with a respectable, fair contract.
    >>{Yay, he did his job.}

    2. Finding Davone Bess as an UDRF and re-signing him early.
    >>{Good get, not amazing. But I’ve continually said Ireland’s best (and only) talent is finding UFAs.}

    3. Finding Dan Carpenter as an UDRF and re-signing him early.
    >>{Ooooo, a punter. 3rd best accomplishment, really?}

    4. Drafting Jake Long in 2008, but he was the No. 1 pick, and they passed on Matt Ryan to get him.
    >>{Still debatable, but Long was a fair pick.}

    5. Trading for Reggie Bush, swapping 6th rounders with the Saints for a 1,000 yard rusher.
    >>{Agree here.}

    6. Signing Matt Moore in 2011 and having him make last year’s team respectable once he became the starter.
    >>{Yay. Before Moore came in we were so bad, we were shoe-ins for Andrew Luck. …Wait. 😡 }

    7. Retaining Paul Soliai twice (franchise tag, and bargain of a contract this past offseason).
    >>{Again, did his job. Be still my heart.}

    8. Finding DE Derrick Shelby and C Josh Samuda as UDRFs in 2012.
    >>{His specialty, as mentioned before.}

    Is there ANYTHING ELSE I’m missing? I don’t want to short change Ireland. >>{He manages that himself.}

    *********
    **>>Notice only one mention of someone Ireland actually drafted, and that was the #1 pick.
    See where I’m going here?…..

  48. Jeff Schanz (@JS_in_LA) Says:

    Miami has company. Several teams will be starting QBs who have never been an NFL QB1.

    1. Indy – Luck
    2. Wash – Griffin. *(current 2nd string is also a rookie, Cousins)
    3. Cleve – Weeden
    4. Tenn – Locker
    5. Seattle – Flynn/Wilson (Wilson’s a rook, but Flynn only came in for injured Rogers. Either way, 1st time being QB1)
    6. Miami – Tannehill

    There are also several teams waiting to see if their last year’s starting rookies are now legit QB1’s.

    Gabbert
    Ponder
    Newton
    Dalton

    Plus a few teams still trying to figure out their 3rd year starters (Bradford, eg.)

    Plus a few teams that are now wishing that had a new QB to pick from. And more will surface mid way through the season.

    Not all 32 teams have their QB position set. We’re not alone, and no one is laughing at us. Not anymore.

  49. Jeff Schanz (@JS_in_LA) Says:

    FYI,
    If there’s any loonies still left that insist we should’ve drafted Ryan Mallett-head last year, well here’s your chance to see.

    He’s getting the start tonight for the Patriots vs. Eagles.
    Two passes so far: One screen for no gain. One overthrown out pattern.
    Guess Belichik needs to see what he has too.

  50. Jon Says:

    NEW POST UP! go there!!!

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